So what is yall's opion on this...

Kuboske

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I work in a field of high tech electronics on aircraft, electronics and everything offroad don't mix well. Dust and electronics = bad, water and electronics = bad, mud and electronics = lol no way, vibration and electronics = bad, impact and electronics = bad. I just don't see a path to making a full electric offroader that will ever have the capabilities and reliability of a well built ICE 4X4. This isn't even getting into the realm of trailside repairs. It took many decades to get modern ICE 4x4's to their current levels, If full electric ever makes it that far I'm pretty sure I won't be alive to see it.
Strangely, we have guys at our local airport constantly having problems with multi thousand dollar avionics.
We sometimes (rarely) get lucky and a simple re-racking will correct things.
Then again, I can buy a $125 CB radio that will last 12 years in hot, cold, dirty, vibration, etc without a problem.
 

JimLee

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Strangely, we have guys at our local airport constantly having problems with multi thousand dollar avionics.
We sometimes (rarely) get lucky and a simple re-racking will correct things.
Then again, I can buy a $125 CB radio that will last 12 years in hot, cold, dirty, vibration, etc without a problem.
Yea, you can seal a board on simple electronics fairly easily, at the cost of heat and power consumption, anything with moving parts such as a motor is a whole different ball of wax. We've got a Starter/Generator that runs on DC and is pretty well ruggedized to handle all of the above (to an extent), but it costs well over 100K and has to be changed every 2000 hours. Cabling and connectors are another problem in high vibration/temp/dirty environments. The aviation world spends tons of money to mitigate these problems, expenses that wouldn't translate well into the consumer market.
 
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Kuboske

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Years ago I worked for a large corporation. It’s scary how little most of them know about their core customer base and how stupid they can be about ‘broadening the brand’. In addition they have fresh out of college marketing executives trying to come up with new ideas- many that do not reflect the core desires of the customer base. Also automobile corporations face a constant barrage of Gov regulations, threats and subsidies. The message is clear from the Gov, play ball with us or your life will be miserable. We have Greenie Commies in power now.

Eddie mentioned the Rubicon model. From what I had always heard there was a huge amount of resistance to producing the Rubicon package by the executives, however we all know it turned out to be wildly popular.

Don‘t worry, we’ll all be driving (sailing) these once the Gov destroys the power grid and energy production! 🤬🤬


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The run to abandon everything cool is everywhere. Peterbilt has announced the end of the long hood, western style chromed out truck, effective the end of the 2023 model. Talk about being out of touch with their core customer base.
Kenworth tried the same thing a couple years ago with a modern version of their W900.
I'm glad I'm basically retired now and just keep my old KW as almost just a plaything. I'm almost 63 and in the words of Alan Jackson... " If they found the fountain of youth, I wouldn't drink a drop, and that's the truth".
This world is being run by pussies.
 

wayoflife

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saving the planet one open pit lithium mine at a time...not that it also requires mass amounts of water and fossil fuel resources.

Nevada already has water resource issues and they want to dig a lithium mine there, nothing like destroying the environment to claim the environment is being destroyed
Oh yeah, it's been a big thing here in Northern Nevada. The tribes and surprisingly, other green groups have been putting up billboard signs against it. CNN did a piece on it back in December.


NPR did a piece too.

 

TrailHunter

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Oh yeah, it's been a big thing here in Northern Nevada. The tribes and surprisingly, other green groups have been putting up billboard signs against it. CNN did a piece on it back in December.


NPR did a piece too.

And making biodiesel from plant, vegetable and algae oils is way worse. 🙄
 

bobfriesenhahn

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LOL - oh please. Like you've never seen a stock Jeep Wrangler 3-wheeling before.
Certainly it is possible to develop capable IFS. Most Baja racers use IFS. Most side-by-sides use IFS. But instead of getting something truly capable, we get something like the Land Rover Defender. Popular production 4WD IFS vehicles designed for road use (where IFS is clearly better) do not have the suspension travel necessary to compete off-road with the solid axels on the Wrangler.

From what I saw, the Wranglers still had 4 tires on the ground while the Bronco had only 3.
 

Macarena Man

Caught the Bug
So what is yall's opion on this.


So if Ford comes out with a EV Bronco will there be separate chargers for them as well?
It seems every manufacturer has their own charging system.
Who is going to give the ok for the placement of these
Could the EV folks re-charge from a Currant bush? Red Currant for Bronco? Black Currant for Jeep?
Asking for a friend . . . ;)
 
LOL - clearly, you're free to think what you want but you're mistaken if you think there's some kind of "unknown". Also, skepticism isn't what I personally am feeling - it's more of a distaste for what I'm seeing. And, since you seemed to have missed it, I've NEVER been a hater of what Jeep had been doing and all the new changes they've put out over the years. Unlike some, I've always embraced it and this is the first time that I've found myself having a hard time with it. And again, I'm not opposed to electric or the future, I just don't feel that Jeep is currently handling either very well. I personally hope that I'm wrong and that the people in charge figure things out if only because I love all 8 of my Jeeps and the Jeep brand.

That said and back on topic for a second - the charging stations at trailheads is an insult to what off-roading is all about or at least should be, in my opinion anyway. Shame on Jeep for pushing this kind of urban expansion into the wilderness.
Eddie, maybe I wasn't as clear as I thought. When I mentioned "haters", I was not referring to you or anyone on this forum, but rather the general approach that people have to organize and prevent other people from doing activities they don't agree with. The Sierra Club lobbied heavily for the Mojave National Preserve, where I spent much of my recreation. They hated that off-roaders used it, and they say, destroyed it. Once they got it, damn near no one wants anything to do with it, including most of the Sierra Club. I know, I spent decades out there on horseback after they stole it. Nobody was there except me and a few friends that switched to horses. If everyone said, "I don't agree with what you're doing and I'm going to do everything I can to stop you", we're all sunk. Mayor Bloomberg is an example. He stopped a company from selling soda pop in large sizes, because he didn't like it.

As for the unknown, I was just referring to the future. Jeep could go to a 4 motor, wheel mounted independent suspension with all new kinematics that exceed current suspensions. ;) We all like the old classics. But, I do like the vehicles of today too. I know you like your old jeeps and your new ones. I think we're on the same page.
 

jeeeep

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Oh yeah, it's been a big thing here in Northern Nevada. The tribes and surprisingly, other green groups have been putting up billboard signs against it. CNN did a piece on it back in December.


NPR did a piece too.

I read about this when it became more public.

My understanding, they were allowed to fast-track the environmental impact study and submitted it with a lot of environmental destructive items that would under any other impact study requirements be denied as a project; but, all that is irrelevant to the amount of money, jobs and tax revenue it "might" create. I also read they were recently given the opportunity to revise the impact study (without actual further studies) to soften/reword the damaging portions in in the original study.

When the "green" go against the green answer, that's pretty rare and should mean something?
 
Strangely, we have guys at our local airport constantly having problems with multi thousand dollar avionics.
We sometimes (rarely) get lucky and a simple re-racking will correct things.
Then again, I can buy a $125 CB radio that will last 12 years in hot, cold, dirty, vibration, etc without a problem.
I had a C-206 airplane many years ago. That radio stack constantly gave me problems. Many thousands of dollars in problems, back when thousands were worth something. :rolleyes:
 

wayoflife

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But instead of getting something truly capable, we get something like the Land Rover Defender. Popular production 4WD IFS vehicles designed for road use (where IFS is clearly better) do not have the suspension travel necessary to compete off-road with the solid axels on the Wrangler.
*sigh* As I had already stated previously...

"The problem with IFS is that it can be stupid expensive to modify but if you can afford it, you can get every bit as much flex out of them as a solid axle and with more benefits."

While a Wrangler can flex pretty good stock and maybe better than a Bronco or LR, it is far from being as good as you're imagining or at least, in my opinion. Also, it would be my hope that Jeep would do a better job than them, right out of the box, just as they always have. But hey, that's just what I've seen from their engineers in the past and really, what would I know.
 
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wayoflife

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Eddie, maybe I wasn't as clear as I thought. When I mentioned "haters", I was not referring to you or anyone on this forum, but rather the general approach that people have to organize and prevent other people from doing activities they don't agree with. The Sierra Club lobbied heavily for the Mojave National Preserve, where I spent much of my recreation. They hated that off-roaders used it, and they say, destroyed it. Once they got it, damn near no one wants anything to do with it, including most of the Sierra Club. I know, I spent decades out there on horseback after they stole it. Nobody was there except me and a few friends that switched to horses. If everyone said, "I don't agree with what you're doing and I'm going to do everything I can to stop you", we're all sunk. Mayor Bloomberg is an example. He stopped a company from selling soda pop in large sizes, because he didn't like it.

As for the unknown, I was just referring to the future. Jeep could go to a 4 motor, wheel mounted independent suspension with all new kinematics that exceed current suspensions. ;) We all like the old classics. But, I do like the vehicles of today too. I know you like your old jeeps and your new ones. I think we're on the same page.
LOL - Okay, I think we are, for the most part, on the same page. I too spent decades out in the Mojave and hate how much has been stolen from the people who actually used it. Although, I personally don't find it nearly as empty as you seem to find it (no tree huggers for sure but then, they were never out there) but then, it's a big desert and I'm sure we spend our time in different parts of it.

As far as the unknown goes, I was referring to now. The 4Xe exists today and we know what Jeep has currently in the works. That's what I've been referring to. Also, my love for my classics is based on owning a piece of history. I have no love for wheeling any of them because quite frankly, they suck especially when compared to my modern Jeeps. If wheeling was all I cared about, modern and whatever future improvements (as in, actually being better for off road use) that come our way is all I would ever want.
 
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wayoflife

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I read about this when it became more public.

My understanding, they were allowed to fast-track the environmental impact study and submitted it with a lot of environmental destructive items that would under any other impact study requirements be denied as a project; but, all that is irrelevant to the amount of money, jobs and tax revenue it "might" create. I also read they were recently given the opportunity to revise the impact study (without actual further studies) to soften/reword the damaging portions in in the original study.

When the "green" go against the green answer, that's pretty rare and should mean something?
What sucks is that the location of the lithium is in a very remote part of Nevada. A place where most people including greenies think, "who gives a shit about that place". But for people like me, it's special BECAUSE nobody and nothing is out there. When people are willing to start fucking up their backyard in the name of the planet, I'll be more receptive to hear what they have to say.
 

Tixslam

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What sucks is that the location of the lithium is in a very remote part of Nevada. A place where most people including greenies think, "who gives a shit about that place". But for people like me, it's special BECAUSE nobody and nothing is out there. When people are willing to start fucking up their backyard in the name of the planet, I'll be more receptive to hear what they have to say.
It will be interesting if the greenies just ignore this. An endangered snail near the proposed mining site. If they ignore this, then what really matters? The environment they purport to care about?
 

AZVAJKU

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It will be interesting if the greenies just ignore this. An endangered snail near the proposed mining site. If they ignore this, then what really matters? The environment they purport to care about?

That would be awesome if we could use this snail to get the Lib-Tards to fight amongst themselves. Turn the granola hippies and tribes against Big Green Energy. A classic divide and conquer.

Just like they have been doing to conservatives and libertarians for years. 🤣😂
 

Ddays

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"The 4xe could make Jeep die-hards change their mind about leaving [internal combustion engines]," Meunier told ABC News. "When you drive electric Jeeps you fall in love with them."

He added, "A lot of torque is awesome for off-road driving. It's cool to be green."


This just goes to show just how out of touch Meunier and the guys in charge of the Jeep brand are. While I love torque and it is great for rock crawling, I would be the first to say that the market has significantly changed and today, it's all about "overlanding"... as in, carrying a lot of shit on dirt roads and RANGE. This is NOT something the 4Xe or any electric Jeep would do well at.

Great point. Fewer and fewer guys crawl their JL's. Most of the guys that are into that are in JK's and on down. Say what you will about the Bronco, but they did a really good job of identifying the current market & went after it.
 

Seahawkfan

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This.
Look what these fags are doing to the hemi powered muscle cars...
They can't run fast enough into this global silliness!
I hope they fail.
I think Chrysler ran out of stupid names for the SRT line-up. And how many different HP tunes does a car need?
 
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