So what is yall's opion on this...

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wayoflife said:
While solid axles make it cheaper and easier to lift a Jeep, I personally think that IFS is superior especially when it come to ride quality and handling when bombing across the desert. The problem with IFS is that it can be stupid expensive to modify but if you can afford it, you can get every bit as much flex out of them as a solid axle and with more benefits. Being that Jeep has/had been going in the direction of more and more expensive, I figured IFS was a no brainer. Certainly, lifting a coil sprung Jeep costs way more than leaf springs ever did, especially when going tall enough to need long arms but the benefits were all there. And for the purists out there, you could always do a solid axle swap. Toyota guys have been doing it for years and Bronco guys are doing it now as well.

Again, I'm all for Jeep making big changes so long as the end goal is to make a better Jeep - AS IN, an off the show room floor vehicle that performs BETTER off road than the previous model. That's how it's always been for over 80 years but NOTHING about their new electric line up is that or even close to it and that to me, just sucks!
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Can’t argue the better ride of IFS… but any factory IFS (besides the H1) I’ve ever seen is weak with shit travel. I’m very doubtful a production Jeep of today would be even half as good as say an Ultra4 IFS setup. But I’m all for it too if it was done right.
 
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TrailHunter said:
Can’t argue the better ride of IFS… but any factory IFS (besides the H1) I’ve ever seen is weak with shit travel. I’m very doubtful a production Jeep of today would be even half as good as say an Ultra4 IFS setup. But I’m all for it too if it was done right.
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But that's just the thing about Jeep and especially so with the Wrangler, they have always pushed to make it better, stronger and more capable. The Rubicon is a perfect example of that. NOBODY thought it could or would ever be made but then, there it was and complete with Dana 44's and lockers front and rear and a 4:1 transfer case. The JK version was even better with a e-disco. For a time, there were guys at Jeep who worked very hard to make this kind of stuff possible and I truly think they would have done it. Sadly, most of them have since retired and the people in charge now clearly don't see the benefits of what they were trying to do.
 
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wayoflife said:
But that's just the thing about Jeep and especially so with the Wrangler, they have always pushed to make it better, stronger and more capable. The Rubicon is a perfect example of that. NOBODY thought it could or would ever be made but then, there it was and complete with Dana 44's and lockers front and rear and a 4:1 transfer case. The JK version was even better with a e-disco. For a time, there were guys at Jeep who worked very hard to make this kind of stuff possible and I truly think they would have done it. Sadly, most of them have since retired and the people in charge now clearly don't see the benefits of what they were trying to do.
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Install a european as CEO of the Jeep brand and this is what we get. Can't say I'm surprised. It's cool to be green after all..... :rolleyes:


https://abcnews.go.com/Business/cool-green-jeep-ceo-transforming-80-year-brand/story?id=81960686
 
AZVAJKU

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Years ago I worked for a large corporation. It’s scary how little most of them know about their core customer base and how stupid they can be about ‘broadening the brand’. In addition they have fresh out of college marketing executives trying to come up with new ideas- many that do not reflect the core desires of the customer base. Also automobile corporations face a constant barrage of Gov regulations, threats and subsidies. The message is clear from the Gov, play ball with us or your life will be miserable. We have Greenie Commies in power now.

Eddie mentioned the Rubicon model. From what I had always heard there was a huge amount of resistance to producing the Rubicon package by the executives, however we all know it turned out to be wildly popular.

Don‘t worry, we’ll all be driving (sailing) these once the Gov destroys the power grid and energy production! 🤬🤬


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bobfriesenhahn

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TrailHunter said:
I gotta ask… why would you want IFS?
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Scenes where the vehicle is tottering on three wheels and extremely close to rolling over make for very entertaining videos and thus lots of views ($$$). At least that is what I have noticed when a new Bronco joins with jeeps on trail expeditions. But the good thing about IFS off-road is that drivers can develop new skills in order to survive.
 
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Ddays said:
Install a european as CEO of the Jeep brand and this is what we get. Can't say I'm surprised. It's cool to be green after all..... :rolleyes:


https://abcnews.go.com/Business/cool-green-jeep-ceo-transforming-80-year-brand/story?id=81960686
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"The 4xe could make Jeep die-hards change their mind about leaving [internal combustion engines]," Meunier told ABC News. "When you drive electric Jeeps you fall in love with them."

He added, "A lot of torque is awesome for off-road driving. It's cool to be green."

This just goes to show just how out of touch Meunier and the guys in charge of the Jeep brand are. While I love torque and it is great for rock crawling, I would be the first to say that the market has significantly changed and today, it's all about "overlanding"... as in, carrying a lot of shit on dirt roads and RANGE. This is NOT something the 4Xe or any electric Jeep would do well at.
 
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AZVAJKU said:
Eddie mentioned the Rubicon model. From what I had always heard there was a huge amount of resistance to producing the Rubicon package by the executives, however we all know it turned out to be wildly popular.
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Yup. In spite of it being a no brainer today, there was a tremendous amount of resistance. Unfortunately, the engineers who fought for it are no longer at Jeep and sadly, a lot of it is because they know they couldn't win anymore.
 
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bobfriesenhahn said:
Scenes where the vehicle is tottering on three wheels and extremely close to rolling over make for very entertaining videos and thus lots of views ($$$). At least that is what I have noticed when a new Bronco joins with jeeps on trail expeditions. But the good thing about IFS off-road is that drivers can develop new skills in order to survive.
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LOL - oh please. Like you've never seen a stock Jeep Wrangler 3-wheeling before.
 
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I think whatever the Jeep evolves into, it's going to be more fun that what we have. It's human nature for us to want to keep the things we know gave us great pleasure. It's also human nature to be skeptical of the unknown.

We don't know what the Jeep (or other) could evolve into, nor if it could be more enjoyble than what we have today. But, so far, I think I like today's Jeep (including all the aftermarket stuff too) better than yesterday's, even while overcoming the pressures of the government. I think that trend will continue. But as long as one group hates on other groups for what they do, there's always a chance we can lose more of our recreational liberties.
 
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Tixslam said:
So what is yall's opion on this.
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Jeep Wants To Litter Trailheads With Charging Stations

Why not add a few billboards, too?
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So if Ford comes out with a EV Bronco will there be separate chargers for them as well?
It seems every manufacturer has their own charging system.
Who is going to give the ok for the placement of these
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saving the planet one open pit lithium mine at a time...not that it also requires mass amounts of water and fossil fuel resources.

Nevada already has water resource issues and they want to dig a lithium mine there, nothing like destroying the environment to claim the environment is being destroyed
 
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roaniecowpony said:
I think whatever the Jeep evolves into, it's going to be more fun that what we have. It's human nature for us to want to keep the things we know gave us great pleasure. It's also human nature to be skeptical of the unknown.

We don't know what the Jeep (or other) could evolve into, nor if it could be more enjoyble than what we have today. But, so far, I think I like today's Jeep (including all the aftermarket stuff too) better than yesterday's, even while overcoming the pressures of the government. I think that trend will continue. But as long as one group hates on other groups for what they do, there's always a chance we can lose more of our recreational liberties.
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LOL - clearly, you're free to think what you want but you're mistaken if you think there's some kind of "unknown". Also, skepticism isn't what I personally am feeling - it's more of a distaste for what I'm seeing. And, since you seemed to have missed it, I've NEVER been a hater of what Jeep had been doing and all the new changes they've put out over the years. Unlike some, I've always embraced it and this is the first time that I've found myself having a hard time with it. And again, I'm not opposed to electric or the future, I just don't feel that Jeep is currently handling either very well. I personally hope that I'm wrong and that the people in charge figure things out if only because I love all 8 of my Jeeps and the Jeep brand.

That said and back on topic for a second - the charging stations at trailheads is an insult to what off-roading is all about or at least should be, in my opinion anyway. Shame on Jeep for pushing this kind of urban expansion into the wilderness.
 
JimLee

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I work in a field of high tech electronics on aircraft, electronics and everything offroad don't mix well. Dust and electronics = bad, water and electronics = bad, mud and electronics = lol no way, vibration and electronics = bad, impact and electronics = bad. I just don't see a path to making a full electric offroader that will ever have the capabilities and reliability of a well built ICE 4X4. This isn't even getting into the realm of trailside repairs. It took many decades to get modern ICE 4x4's to their current levels, If full electric ever makes it that far I'm pretty sure I won't be alive to see it.
 
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Can you imagine what it would be like to have 10 Jeeps running 37's, coming off the trail and waiting charge up before going home? I mean, it'd be worse than having to air everyone one up with a single bicycle pump!

Honestly, if Jeep really wanted to be innovative - way ahead of the game, they would do something like integrate solar panels into a hard top and make it so you could be self sufficient - essentially, charge yourself up. Hell, even if it took a whole day to do it, that would totally fit into the whole overlanding thing and keep Jeep truly unique.

Charging stations at trailheads or at Rubicon Springs is all theater and designed to make people who want to save the planet feel better about themselves. But the reality is, there's nothing "better" about them - PERIOD
 
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wayoflife said:
Can you imagine what it would be like to have 10 Jeeps running 37's, coming off the trail and waiting charge up before going home? I mean, it'd be worse than having to air everyone one up with a single bicycle pump!

Honestly, if Jeep really wanted to be innovative - way ahead of the game, they would do something like integrate solar panels into a hard top and make it so you could be self sufficient - essentially, charge yourself up. Hell, even if it took a whole day to do it, that would totally fit into the whole overlanding thing and keep Jeep truly unique.

Charging stations at trailheads or at Rubicon Springs is all theater and designed to make people who want to save the planet feel better about themselves. But the reality is, there's nothing "better" about them - PERIOD
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Imagine the inevitable fist fights at trail heads, "my duck was holding my place you asshole!"
 
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