Irish Build Thread

[Irish JK]

Seems like a pain to continue to deal with. So would you still recommend a V8 swap even if they have tons of issues? I’ve been waiting for the LT-1/8L90E swap to get all the kinks out.


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Not unless you:
-have a significant amount of finances set aside for it.
-know the kinks will never all be worked out
AND
-just want to have a cool sounding Jeep to drive to the donut shop
OR
-want to go full racepack stand alone
-want a full cage and harnesses
-big suspension and axles
-don’t mind 6-8mpg
-have a diesel truck and trailer




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[fiend]

Not unless you:
-have a significant amount of finances set aside for it.
-know the kinks will never all be worked out
AND
-just want to have a cool sounding Jeep to drive to the donut shop
OR
-want to go full racepack stand alone
-want a full cage and harnesses
-big suspension and axles
-don’t mind 6-8mpg
-have a diesel truck and trailer




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Sobering assessment.


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[Sharkey]

It seems so hit or miss. Brute has three V8’s and clearly doesn’t have the constant problems that you are having.

Eddie has had a few issues here and there, but how many miles did he have on Moby’s V8, 100k?


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[Irish JK]

It seems so hit or miss. Brute has three V8’s and clearly doesn’t have the constant problems that you are having.

Eddie has had a few issues here and there, but how many miles did he have on Moby’s V8, 100k?


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I am a firm believer that people won’t talk about their issues until you’re already deep into the club.


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[Exodus 4x4]

I am a firm believer that people won’t talk about their issues until you’re already deep into the club.


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A lot of truth to that. I’ve always said that most people can’t afford to be honest. I’ve spent a lot of time trying to fix some of these issues, but I’m done. 100% stand alone with a TH400 is the best way to go.


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[Exodus 4x4]

Seems like a pain to continue to deal with. So would you still recommend a V8 swap even if they have tons of issues? I’ve been waiting for the LT-1/8L90E swap to get all the kinks out.


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The JK Gen4 swap has been around long enough and still has issues. How long so you think the LT/8L90 and 10L90 will take? I will be honest and tell you that none of these swaps will ever have their issues resolved. Even if the electrical was resolved, you still have some heating issues. I’ve finally gotten mine to a point that it can drive past most V8 swaps after they’ve gone done from overheating, but that’s taken a lot of tweaking.


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[benatc1]

The JK Gen4 swap has been around long enough and still has issues. How long so you think the LT/8L90 and 10L90 will take? I will be honest and tell you that none of these swaps will ever have their issues resolved. Even if the electrical was resolved, you still have some heating issues. I’ve finally gotten mine to a point that it can drive past most V8 swaps after they’ve gone done from overheating, but that’s taken a lot of tweaking.


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Do hemi swaps seem to have these issues? I know of heard of some of the drawbacks like availability, weight and heat. Honestly, don't know much about either, just curious

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[Exodus 4x4]

Do hemi swaps seem to have these issues? I know of heard of some of the drawbacks like availability, weight and heat. Honestly, don't know much about either, just curious

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CAN network protocol is the same, so electrical isn’t as much of an issue. Unfortunately the weight and heat is an issue. I’m not a fan of the real estate they take up either.


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[Sharkey]

I am a firm believer that people won’t talk about their issues until you’re already deep into the club.

I’ve been moderating for Eddie and Cindy for over a decade and consider them personal friends, but I guess that’s not deep enough into the club for them to be honest with me.

A lot of truth to that. I’ve always said that most people can’t afford to be honest.

I understand that point and routinely see that with people who have no option but to stick with what they saved up to buy. I can assure you though, neither Eddie nor Brute fall into that category.


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[benatc1]

CAN network protocol is the same, so electrical isn’t as much of an issue. Unfortunately the weight and heat is an issue. I’m not a fan of the real estate they take up either.


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I gotcha, make sense with CAN, more apples to apples but definitely a big heavy motor. Im just glad the jl with 8speed is a pretty good combo so hopefully I'll be set lol.

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[Irish JK]

I’ve been moderating for Eddie and Cindy for over a decade and consider them personal friends, but I guess that’s not deep enough into the club for them to be honest with me.

I can assure you though, neither Eddie nor Brute fall into that category.


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I’ve never interacted with Brute so I don’t know what that even means.


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[Irish JK]

CAN network protocol is the same, so electrical isn’t as much of an issue. Unfortunately the weight and heat is an issue. I’m not a fan of the real estate they take up either.


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I’ve seen issues with hemi swaps and programming gremlins just the same.

Swapping (to a different than factory option) engines in modern vehicles is just not that easy any way you slice it.


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[Sharkey]

I’ve never interacted with Brute so I don’t know what that even means.

I believe he currently has three Jeeps running V8’s, each of which probably cost more to build than your last two Jeeps combined. If someone has the means to drive whatever they want it is foolish to conclude they would continue to drive something that is unreliable and breaks down on a regular basis. Aside from that, he seems like an honest dude with zero reason to lie about his experience with his Hellcat and two 5.7’s.


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[Irish JK]

I believe he currently has three Jeeps running V8’s, each of which probably cost more to build than your last two Jeeps combined.

I’ve never had anything to say about you one way or another but what a bullshit comment by you. You assume you know anything about me, what my “builds cost combined”, or anything else is the most foolish thing I’ve seen you say here.

If someone has the means to drive whatever they want it is foolish to conclude they would continue to drive something that is unreliable and breaks down on a regular basis.

So maybe you shouldn’t conclude.

Aside from that, he seems like an honest dude with zero reason to lie about his experience with his Hellcat and two 5.7’s.


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As I said, I’ve never interacted with brute, commented on his vehicles, met him in person etc. I have no clue what he’s like and don’t assume to know. I haven’t made one claim about his hellcat or two 5.7s so not sure who’s claiming he has lied.




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[Sharkey]

I’ve never had anything to say about you one way or another but what a bullshit comment by you. You assume you know anything about me, what my “builds cost combined”, or anything else is the most foolish thing I’ve seen you say here.

So maybe you shouldn’t conclude.

As I said, I’ve never interacted with brute, commented on his vehicles, met him in person etc. I have no clue what he’s like and don’t assume to know. I haven’t made one claim about his hellcat or two 5.7s so not sure who’s claiming he has lied.

Perspective is everything. You say that people only talk about the problems they have with their V8’s with other people who are “deep in the same club”. Is that not a bullshit, elitist thing to say?

If you’ve have followed Brute’s builds then you have an idea of the cost and work involved. Turning a 4-door into a longer 2-door and then successfully doing one of the first Hellcat swaps with a brand new motor isn’t a small, or inexpensive, task. That’s besides the point though. My comment was not intended as a dig against your builds, it was intended to show that Brute can run whatever he wants so there is no reason to believe he is hiding the fact that he is unhappy with his swaps.

You are also completely ignoring the fact that Eddie and Cindy had only three issues with their V8 in about 100k miles, all of which were resolved. They liked it so much that they are even doing an upgrade. But hey, I guess they are just pulling the wool over everyone’s eyes (at least everyone who isn’t in their club).

You made categorical claims about swaps and are now butt hurt because I pointed out that there are other people who have had a completely different experience. I probably shouldn’t be surprised though...I remember not long ago when all Jeeps were unsafe to drive because they were likely to burn to the ground.

I think it sucks that you are having so many problems, I really do. You shouldn’t have to continue to throw money at a swap like that to make it reliable. Just be honest about it though and admit that, clearly, not everyone is having even close to the same experience. That’s why I said that it seems hit and miss. At that point though, you and Bubba claimed it wasn’t and that those in the know really know how bad swaps are, and that anyone who says otherwise is basically hobbled by the fact they can’t afford to be unhappy.


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[Irish JK]

Perspective is everything. You say that people only talk about the problems they have with their V8’s with other people who are “deep in the same club”. Is that not a bullshit, elitist thing to say?

If you’ve have followed Brute’s builds then you have an idea of the cost and work involved. Turning a 4-door into a longer 2-door and then successfully doing one of the first Hellcat swaps with a brand new motor isn’t a small, or inexpensive, task. That’s besides the point though. My comment was not intended as a dig against your builds, it was intended to show that Brute can run whatever he wants so there is no reason to believe he is hiding the fact that he is unhappy with his swaps.

You are also completely ignoring the fact that Eddie and Cindy had only three issues with their V8 in about 100k miles, all of which were resolved. They liked it so much that they are even doing an upgrade. But hey, I guess they are just pulling the wool over everyone’s eyes (at least everyone who isn’t in their club).

You made categorical claims about swaps and are now butt hurt because I pointed out that there are other people who have had a completely different experience. I probably shouldn’t be surprised though...I remember not long ago when all Jeeps were unsafe to drive because they were likely to burn to the ground.

I think it sucks that you are having so many problems, I really do. You shouldn’t have to continue to throw money at a swap like that to make it reliable. Just be honest about it though and admit that, clearly, not everyone is having even close to the same experience. That’s why I said that it seems hit and miss. At that point though, you and Bubba claimed it wasn’t and that those in the know really know how bad swaps are, and that anyone who says otherwise is basically hobbled by the fact they can’t afford to be unhappy.


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Wow, how long have you been holding onto those snarky remarks. Clearly the only one hurt here is you, in that some how I have offended the status quo. Am I not allowed to have and share my opinions? I’m sorry you don’t like agree with them or like the fact that I believe it takes a pile of cash to reliably run a V8 swap. Don’t like it? Get over it like a grown up and move on to another thread to moderate for Eddie and Cindy for the next 10 years. Me, I’m just trying to share my truthful experience with other folks.

To be honest, I could give a flying hoot how much Brute has spent, but since you seem so invested, why don’t you tell me?

Eddie and Cindy may have had only 3 issues but I’m not them and can’t tell you, nor can you. Only they can. What I can tell you and anyone else is, the same kit manufacturer/installer provided me with a subpar product/installation, with significant issues, flaws and defects and I am at my own personal expense removing and replacing.

You seem to be trying to justify V8 swaps by pointing to two other members here. Not sure how that provides any data point at all. Again, what I know is that I’ve had significant issues and I believe it is not something I’d do again, and I don’t recommend unless you have significant resources to throw at. But again, apparently my opinion and that of a trusted vendor here, mean nothing when it doesn’t please the masses.

Lastly, no these aren’t the safest hobbies to play with. I’ve had my with issues with Jeeps, ups and downs just like anyone else(maybe a bit more of extremes). So go find another thread to piss on.


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[Sharkey]

I’m not butt hurt at all, and I have no reason to either like or dislike Motech (I’m also not afraid of actually using their name). Like I said, it sucks that you are having so many problems. I’m glad you are sharing your experience, as I am equally glad that others have shared theirs (both good and bad). If Motech did a shit job with your build then they should resolve the issues.

I just don’t like it when people claim their experience is what everyone else should expect to experience.

And whether you want to admit or not, you and Bubba have both implied in this thread that people (like Eddie) who claim to have had a good experience with their swaps are either not being honest with the masses or they are financially unable to admit they made a bad decision. I have a problem with that and I happen to know for a fact that neither is true with respect to Eddie or Brute (although Brute’s swaps are not Motech LS swaps).

Sharing your experience and frustrations is great; generically claiming that all swaps (and all swaps from Motech) are riddled with problems is not.

Edit: ...and I don’t hold on to snarky remarks. They pretty much just flow naturally.

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[Irish JK]

I’m not butt hurt at all, and I have no reason to either like or dislike Motech (I’m also not afraid of actually using their name). Like I said, it sucks that you are having so many problems. I’m glad you are sharing your experience, as I am equally glad that others have shared theirs (both good and bad). If Motech did a shit job with your build then they should resolve the issues.

I just don’t like it when people claim their experience is what everyone else should expect to experience.

And whether you want to admit or not, you and Bubba have both implied in this thread that people (like Eddie) who claim to have had a good experience with their swaps are either not being honest with the masses or they are financially unable to admit they made a bad decision. I have a problem with that and I happen to know for a fact that neither is true with respect to Eddie or Brute (although Brute’s swaps are not Motech LS swaps).

Sharing your experience and frustrations is great; generically claiming that all swaps (and all swaps from Motech) are riddled with problems is not.

Edit: ...and I don’t hold on to snarky remarks. They pretty much just flow naturally.

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You are quite full of yourself. You’re glad I am sharing my experience but because two other people have had “opposite” my experience doesn’t count and won’t apply to anyone else. What about bubba and the numerous he’s either installed or tried to fix. No, none of those count because they aren’t your friends is basically what you are saying.

So by your logic, Eddie cannot ever recommend or warn of any products or services either because he’s just one person and cannot make any generalizations.

I had a bad experience with a vendor from the day I picked it back up for almost two years and they refused to even admit the problems much less actually address them. They would not be financially responsible one bit. You have another trusted vendor on here saying “I’ve had so many issues, I won’t even touch them anymore”. So how is it unfair of me to make a generalization.

Additionally, for years before I did a V8 swap, I’ve heard your “friends” make the exact same claim(s) regarding swaps, other Jeep mods and other aspects of life, that there is a natural tendency for people to not talk about their problems with a product or service.

Hell for almost two years, I didn’t say anything negative as I tried to work through the issues with the other party. Until the Motech harness was out of my Jeep, it’s hard to say much publicly because you still need them for support, updates, parts etc. Part of my rationale for the general claim that typically people won’t talk about their issues publicly is because they just can’t for fear of reprisals from the vendor.

So, now that I have thoroughly explained myself to you needlessly, move on unless you feel like commenting on any other six year old events.


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[Ddays]

Sooooooo,

Seeing that there are obvious and numerous issues with both V8 swaps out there, I find it really hard to believe that no one has offered a warmed over 3.6 kit WITHOUT turbos or supercharged induction.
How much would it really take to add 50-75 HP, maybe even 100, by adding a hotter cam, a little more compression, a good set of long tube headers, and tweaking of the fuel delivery/intake system to get there?
Would it sound as badass as a V8 swap? No, but you'd be working within the same electrical architecture, which seems to be the biggest buggaboo in the whole swap? :idontknow:

 

[A.J.]

Sooooooo,

Seeing that there are obvious and numerous issues with both V8 swaps out there, I find it really hard to believe that no one has offered a warmed over 3.6 kit WITHOUT turbos or supercharged induction.
How much would it really take to add 50-75 HP, maybe even 100, by adding a hotter cam, a little more compression, a good set of long tube headers, and tweaking of the fuel delivery/intake system to get there?
Would it sound as badass as a V8 swap? No, but you'd be working within the same electrical architecture, which seems to be the biggest buggaboo in the whole swap? :idontknow:

Seems logical but unfortunately those same cooling and programming/tuning issues will come up here as well. I’m getting ready to dive in to the Hemi pool soon. Wish me luck. Have a couple friends running them. Also a couple LS guys. All have had issues to work out. Part of the game.


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