Why Jeep May Never be Great Again

[wayoflife]

For those of you who think that Jeep will put a 392 in something like a Gladiator or at the very least, soften up on all the EV nonsense they've been pushing so hard on, think again. In spite of the rollbacks on strict California emission rules that Trump and lawmakers signed into law, Stellantis will still be responsible for meeting the original EV rules. Why you might ask? Well, because in a stupid move that was made to save themselves...

"Stellantis signed a 2024 settlement deal with the California Air Resources Board (CARB), locking itself into future state EV rules regardless of what happens at the federal level. The agreement was made under the leadership of former CEO Carlos Tavares to avoid lengthy lawsuits and gain short-term relief from previous emissions violations. But in exchange, Stellantis promised to hit California’s zero-emission vehicle (ZEV) sales targets through the 2030 model year — even if the rules are overturned elsewhere."

Needless to say, Stellantis will still be legally obligated to make 35% of their new vehicles sold in California, 100% emission free by 2026, 43% by 2027 and almost 70% by 2030. And again, this in spite of the fact that California's Advanced Clean Cars II rule was officially blocked. And to be clear, this is ONLY for Stellantis as all the other automakers were smart and struck deals with California years ago. As in, they can now benefit from the new rule change.

You can read all about it here:

Stellantis Stuck With California EV Rules Despite Federal Rollbacks

Even though lawmakers and President Donald Trump rolled back California’s strictest-in-the-nation emissions rules, Stellantis (FCA US, LLC) is still on the hook for meeting aggressive electric vehicle (EV) sales targets in the Golden State, and that’s going to be a tough road.

moparinsiders.com

I have to say, I am truly saddened by the fact that in my lifetime, I may never want to buy another new Jeep

 

[Disciple Off Road]

For those of you who think that Jeep will put a 392 in something like a Gladiator or at the very least, soften up on all the EV nonsense they've been pushing so hard on, think again. In spite of the rollbacks on strict California emission rules that Trump and lawmakers signed into law, Stellantis will still be responsible for meeting the original EV rules. Why you might ask? Well, because in a stupid move that was made to save themselves...

"Stellantis signed a 2024 settlement deal with the California Air Resources Board (CARB), locking itself into future state EV rules regardless of what happens at the federal level. The agreement was made under the leadership of former CEO Carlos Tavares to avoid lengthy lawsuits and gain short-term relief from previous emissions violations. But in exchange, Stellantis promised to hit California’s zero-emission vehicle (ZEV) sales targets through the 2030 model year — even if the rules are overturned elsewhere."

Needless to say, Stellantis will still be legally obligated to make 35% of their new vehicles sold in California, 100% emission free by 2026, 43% by 2027 and almost 70% by 2030. And again, this in spite of the fact that California's Advanced Clean Cars II rule was officially blocked. And to be clear, this is ONLY for Stellantis as all the other automakers were smart and struck deals with California years ago. As in, they can now benefit from the new rule change.

You can read all about it here:

Stellantis Stuck With California EV Rules Despite Federal Rollbacks

Even though lawmakers and President Donald Trump rolled back California’s strictest-in-the-nation emissions rules, Stellantis (FCA US, LLC) is still on the hook for meeting aggressive electric vehicle (EV) sales targets in the Golden State, and that’s going to be a tough road.

moparinsiders.com

I have to say, I am truly saddened by the fact that in my lifetime, I may never want to buy another new Jeep

So they pretty much signed their own death certificate. They won’t sale Jeeps while other makers will be offering what the people want. Definitely sad to see.

 

[WJCO]

Gay. They should change their name or start a new company to get around it if they can.

 

[benatc1]

For those of you who think that Jeep will put a 392 in something like a Gladiator or at the very least, soften up on all the EV nonsense they've been pushing so hard on, think again. In spite of the rollbacks on strict California emission rules that Trump and lawmakers signed into law, Stellantis will still be responsible for meeting the original EV rules. Why you might ask? Well, because in a stupid move that was made to save themselves... "Stellantis signed a 2024 settlement deal with the California Air Resources Board (CARB), locking itself into future state EV rules regardless of what happens at the federal level. The agreement was made under the leadership of former CEO Carlos Tavares to avoid lengthy lawsuits and gain short-term relief from previous emissions violations. But in exchange, Stellantis promised to hit California’s zero-emission vehicle (ZEV) sales targets through the 2030 model year — even if the rules are overturned elsewhere." Needless to say, Stellantis will still be legally obligated to make 35% of their new vehicles sold in California, 100% emission free by 2026, 43% by 2027 and almost 70% by 2030. And again, this in spite of the fact that California's Advanced Clean Cars II rule was officially blocked. And to be clear, this is ONLY for Stellantis as all the other automakers were smart and struck deals with California years ago. As in, they can now benefit from the new rule change. You can read all about it here:

Stellantis Stuck With California EV Rules Despite Federal Rollbacks

Even though lawmakers and President Donald Trump rolled back California’s strictest-in-the-nation emissions rules, Stellantis (FCA US, LLC) is still on the hook for meeting aggressive electric vehicle (EV) sales targets in the Golden State, and that’s going to be a tough road.

moparinsiders.com

I have to say, I am truly saddened by the fact that in my lifetime, I may never want to buy another new Jeep

That is definitely a bummer, like many companies, so much invested on a bullshit law and now they are stuck, looks like l have to keep the jeep I have after all .

 

[epriev]

Congress should revoke California's permission to implement stricter emission standards then the federal ones. Currently, the there is an exemption for CA to create stricter rules.

Revoking this exemption would negate any CARB standards.

Unfortunately Colorado has or will be requiring CARB standards on new vehicles.

 

[WJCO]

Congress should revoke California

 

[kevman65]

When they went all in on their $7 BILLION + investment on 3 battery plants in Kokomo, Indiana I knew they had lost their way.

 

[Spazbyt]

Why would shareholders allow this to happen? Tesla can barely turn a profit with almost 50% of the US market. People with millions to invest in companies can't be this stupid, it's literally basic economics. This EV shit is being propped up by insider trading and government corruption.

 

[OverlanderJK]

Why not just say F California? Go the way of the federal rule and just don’t sell in that shithole state.

 

[bobfriesenhahn]

For those of you who think that Jeep will put a 392 in something like a Gladiator or at the very least, soften up on all the EV nonsense they've been pushing so hard on, think again. In spite of the rollbacks on strict California emission rules that Trump and lawmakers signed into law, Stellantis will still be responsible for meeting the original EV rules. Why you might ask? Well, because in a stupid move that was made to save themselves...

"Stellantis signed a 2024 settlement deal with the California Air Resources Board (CARB), locking itself into future state EV rules regardless of what happens at the federal level. The agreement was made under the leadership of former CEO Carlos Tavares to avoid lengthy lawsuits and gain short-term relief from previous emissions violations. But in exchange, Stellantis promised to hit California’s zero-emission vehicle (ZEV) sales targets through the 2030 model year — even if the rules are overturned elsewhere."

Needless to say, Stellantis will still be legally obligated to make 35% of their new vehicles sold in California, 100% emission free by 2026, 43% by 2027 and almost 70% by 2030. And again, this in spite of the fact that California's Advanced Clean Cars II rule was officially blocked. And to be clear, this is ONLY for Stellantis as all the other automakers were smart and struck deals with California years ago. As in, they can now benefit from the new rule change.

You can read all about it here:

Stellantis Stuck With California EV Rules Despite Federal Rollbacks

Even though lawmakers and President Donald Trump rolled back California’s strictest-in-the-nation emissions rules, Stellantis (FCA US, LLC) is still on the hook for meeting aggressive electric vehicle (EV) sales targets in the Golden State, and that’s going to be a tough road.

moparinsiders.com

I have to say, I am truly saddened by the fact that in my lifetime, I may never want to buy another new Jeep

I don't see any reason that Stelantis can't just sell EV-only (or hydrogen if they have it) models in California while continuing to sell gas models in the rest of the world. California is big but not that big.

 

[Trail Bud]

Why not just say F California? Go the way of the federal rule and just don’t sell in that shithole state.

Yes!

 

[jeeeep]

Why would shareholders allow this to happen? Tesla can barely turn a profit with almost 50% of the US market. People with millions to invest in companies can't be this stupid, it's literally basic economics. This EV shit is being propped up by insider trading and government corruption.

they get their money plus a hella lot more from the government; in this case, they fucked themselve by gambling that democrats would complete the "green" transition likely had assurances they would win this presidency.

Edit - California has way too much power over this type bullshit that affects the rest of the USA - they can't fix their own state

 

[wayoflife]

Gay. They should change their name or start a new company to get around it if they can.

Even if it were that easy, I have a feeling they wouldn't do it. Stellantis are believers. They want to "save the planet".

 

[wayoflife]

Congress should revoke California's permission to implement stricter emission standards then the federal ones. Currently, the there is an exemption for CA to create stricter rules.

Revoking this exemption would negate any CARB standards.

Unfortunately Colorado has or will be requiring CARB standards on new vehicles.

This is America and it was established to allow states to have rights.

 

[wayoflife]

Why would shareholders allow this to happen? Tesla can barely turn a profit with almost 50% of the US market. People with millions to invest in companies can't be this stupid, it's literally basic economics. This EV shit is being propped up by insider trading and government corruption.

Because shareholders wanted it to happen. They were all sold on the religion of "saving the planet" just like all the other woke shit that they bought into.

 

[wayoflife]

Why not just say F California? Go the way of the federal rule and just don’t sell in that shithole state.

I would imagine it's because, for better or for worse, California is still the largest market in the nation.

 

[wayoflife]

I don't see any reason that Stelantis can't just sell EV-only (or hydrogen if they have it) models in California while continuing to sell gas models in the rest of the world. California is big but not that big.

Right, because there wouldn't be any cost penalties in tooling to have 2 different sets of vehicles made.

 

[epriev]

This is America and it was established to allow states to have rights.

Agree, but California is trampling other states rights to have cheaper products.

CARB is overstepping the science with political goals and ambitions. If it only affected California, fine, but all new cars sold in every state comply with CARB, adding significant extra costs for no benefit.

State are not to have interstate regulatory powers... so end CARB now and save fas powered vehicles and consumer choice.

 

[wayoflife]

Agree, but California is trampling other states rights to have cheaper products.

CARB is overstepping the science with political goals and ambitions. If it only affected California, fine, but all new cars sold in every state comply with CARB, adding significant extra costs for no benefit.

State are not to have interstate regulatory powers... so end CARB now and save fas powered vehicles and consumer choice.

Actually, THEY aren't. Back in the day, auto makers did make what was referred to as 48 State Legal products and then offered a California specific version as typically, the later would just have CARB compliant components. In fact, this made it impossible for people to buy out of state and it made it difficult for people not from California to move there and register the vehicles without making changes to their vehicle. Over the years, automakers chose to just made everything CARB compliant to save money and make things easier.

 

[kevman65]

Actually, THEY aren't. Back in the day, auto makers did make what was referred to as 48 State Legal products and then offered a California specific version as typically, the later would just have CARB compliant components. In fact, this made it impossible for people to buy out of state and it made it difficult for people not from California to move there and register the vehicles without making changes to their vehicle. Over the years, automakers chose to just made everything CARB compliant to save money and make things easier.

Oh but to give Nevada some beachfront property......