Someone just tried to assassinate Trump

Sharkey said:
Of the parties involved, which person had the ability to make sure that the interaction in its entirety never occurred? One person was where their job required them to be, the other person was there to interfere, by choice. Did she deserve to die? No. Was it her fault that she is dead…absolutely.
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I would say the dog killer in charge of Homeland is responsible because we know massive deportations of illegals can happen without so much as a notice by anyone but those being deported. Trump hasn't even gotten to Obama numbers yet. I can only conclude that the way they're conducing operations isn't a bug, it's a feature.
 
Sharkey said:
Of the parties involved, which person had the ability to make sure that the interaction in its entirety never occurred? One person was where their job required them to be, the other person was there to interfere, by choice. Did she deserve to die? No. Was it her fault that she is dead…absolutely.
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To the second part of your comment: the person there doing their job did it poorly. Period. It's extremely poor judgement to be filming with your phone in one hand and drop it to reach for your gun. We can't drive while holding our phones but we can shoot people while doing so?
 
JamesWyatt said:
To the second part of your comment: the person there doing their job did it poorly. Period. It's extremely poor judgement to be filming with your phone in one hand and drop it to reach for your gun. We can't drive while holding our phones but we can shoot people while doing so?
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He was likely just filming the situation, with no intent to shoot anyone. If you watch the video from days ago, he didn't even reach for his gun until the car was coming at him and tires were still pointing at him as he reached for the gun. And this has nothing to do with people driving and holding phones.
 
WJCO said:
He was likely just filming the situation, with no intent to shoot anyone. If you watch the video from days ago, he didn't even reach for his gun until the car was coming at him and tires were still pointing at him as he reached for the gun. And this has nothing to do with people driving and holding phones.
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You can’t know his intent any more than someone who says he did intend to shoot her. Disagree with your point about the phone not being a distraction to his focus, though. Seems self evident.
 
JamesWyatt said:
I would say the dog killer in charge of Homeland is responsible because we know massive deportations of illegals can happen without so much as a notice by anyone but those being deported. Trump hasn't even gotten to Obama numbers yet. I can only conclude that the way they're conducing operations isn't a bug, it's a feature.
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Your “logic” is fun. Are you sure it isn’t the fault of the gun manufacturer? Or maybe if the ICE officer’s mother never had him, we wouldn’t be having this conversation.
 
JamesWyatt said:
To the second part of your comment: the person there doing their job did it poorly. Period. It's extremely poor judgement to be filming with your phone in one hand and drop it to reach for your gun. We can't drive while holding our phones but we can shoot people while doing so?
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If he didn’t have a body cam then I think it was entirely appropriate to get film evidence (with his phone) of these fucktards interfering with his ability to perform his duties. And ya, as soon as she started driving at him, it was also appropriate to drop the fucking phone and reach for his firearm.

Do I believe he needed to take the shot to protect his life? I’m reserving my judgment until I’ve seen all of the evidence. Then again, I’ve never been in that situation. Regardless, it’s her fault that she is dead. She never should have been there doing what she was doing…period.

And as an aside, in America we spell judgment with one “e”.
 
Sharkey said:
If he didn’t have a body cam then I think it was entirely appropriate to get film evidence (with his phone) of these fucktards interfering with his ability to perform his duties. And ya, as soon as she started driving at him, it was also appropriate to drop the fucking phone and reach for his firearm.

Do I believe he needed to take the shot to protect his life? I’m reserving my judgment until I’ve seen all of the evidence. Then again, I’ve never been in that situation. Regardless, it’s her fault that she is dead. She never should have been there doing what she was doing…period.

And as an aside, in America we spell judgment with one “e”.
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Are we sure we’re reserving judgment? Doesn’t sound like it.
 
Sharkey said:
Your “logic” is fun. Are you sure it isn’t the fault of the gun manufacturer? Or maybe if the ICE officer’s mother never had him, we wouldn’t be having this conversation.
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Come on sharkey, you of all people should know who is at fault. It is our founding fathers because they wrote on a piece of paper right to bear arms. It was there fault!
 
JamesWyatt said:
Are we sure we’re reserving judgment? Doesn’t sound like it.
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Two things can be true at the same time. In my opinion, she is responsible for her own death because she intentionally put herself in harms way and intentionally interfered with an officer’s performance of his duties, then she disobeyed lawful direction, and then she attempted to flee and quite likely used her vehicle to display force.

It can also be true that the officer should not have fired his weapon (this is where I am reserving judgment).

I do not view the second point as an intervening act that relieves the woman of her responsibility under the first point.
 
JamesWyatt said:
As a 2A supporter and owner of NFA items, I’m not sure I follow your logic either.
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Dafuq does that have to do with anything? I have cool things that go bang and also things to make the bang less loud.

My opinion is not prefaced on what is in my gun safe, nor is it even prefaced on my law degree and 20+ years of experience litigating cases. My opinion really stems from the fact that I stayed at a Holiday Inn last weekend.
 
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