LOL!! The only thing that IS clear is that the axle STILL BROKE even with a product installed that was supposed to "strengthen" it. But hey, you can fantasize whatever virtues you want about it.
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LOL!! The only thing that IS clear is that the axle STILL BROKE even with a product installed that was supposed to "strengthen" it. But hey, you can fantasize whatever virtues you want about it.
Jeepfan30
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You both have great points, but consider how you each think of the sleeve. Is it a preventive measure, or insurance to help you limp off the trail? I agree with Eddie that a sleeve is not going to prevent break or bend, but the sleeve might help you limp off the trail after a break like pictured previously happens. I would rather have a sleeve supporting the wileighr of the broken axle rather than the axle shaft supporting the weight. I don't have sleeves in my D30, just my thought on sleeves. I gusseted mine and will drive it till it fails.
xflstl
New member
LOL!! The only thing that IS clear is that the axle STILL BROKE even with a product installed that was supposed to "strengthen" it. But hey, you can fantasize whatever virtues you want about it.
Your right it is still broke, pretty sure I said that. I'm not saying that the sleeve held it together, but I can't prove it didn't. Was it worth the 100 or so bucks to buy it, and the additional labor? Can't say, however 9 years 200k miles later after no can prove it was worthless either.
If nothing else the sleeve did save his 6 or 7 year old rcv shafts from having to bear the weight of his front end. This Jeep in question can be seen having a blast on (Green Day) in that recent wayalife video, fork yeah I think it's called.
There are literally over 1 million JK's out on the road today. Of them, exactly how many front axle breaks have you personally seen or heard about? Since the JK came out back in 2006, I have personally seen 3 breaks and have only heard of a handful of others and MOST have been on JK's that were built back in 2007 and/or were on JK's where someone thought it would be a good idea to try and add cross caster on a solid axle. My point is, breaks like this are EXTREMELY RARE and clearly, the addition of sleeves WILL NOT prevent it from happening if it's going to happen to you. Of course, everyone should feel free to spend their money on their Jeep however they want. Me, I bought into the whole idea of sleeves and ran them on one of my old JK's. Today, I simply see them for what they are and that's a waste of money. Of course, I'm just a mall crawler so you can take what I have to say for what it's worth.
Since guys like you for some reason keep on purposefully leaving it out, the $100 is ONLY if you can do the install yourself. This is something that MOST guys don't have the means or the know how to do and to have them installed at a shop increases the price considerably. I'm nowhere near the Jeep expert that you are nor have I been around them much but in my limited experience, breaks like what you posted up are EXTREMELY RARE. To throw ANY money at a factory axle to ME is a complete waste of money. Hell, buying RCV axle shafts that have a $400 premium is a complete waste of money and that's coming from someone who's run them in the past. But hey, that's just me - what would I know.
RockinAZJK
Caught the Bug
Yeah, what would Eddie know. He's only the one who built this empire and helped to bring us all together, not to mention had more jeeps and done more with them then most people ever will. Hell, he's actually ran them and says they're worthless. I'd say that's all of the proof that I need.
xflstl
New member
^^^^ Actually if you read above I did mention ( 100$ to buy and additional labor)...
It's all personal choice, opinion even. Neither of us is spewing facts here. Much more like smoke.... No sense debating it further..
To be fair, I am simply sharing what I have personally installed, run and have seen. Like most, I hate having to admit that something I bought was a waste and if I can help others from making the same mistakes by sharing what I know, I'm happy to do so. Again, to each their own and people should spend their money on their Jeep however they want. It makes no difference to me.
My problem is that you made it such an afterthought and really, you mentioned it in the form of a "question". It would be more sincere to post up how much everything would cost INSTALLED and that it would cost less if you could do the install yourself.
As I have stated time and time again, it's your money and you should spend it on your Jeep however you want. So that there's no mistake, you are choosing to encourage people to spend their money and I am simply trying to save them money.
On the contrary, I have been stating facts such as, there are over 1 million JK's on the road today. The fact that I have personally seen only 3 front axle breaks like what you posted and ALL of them were on 2007 JK's or on a JK that the owner tried setting cross caster on. The fact that EVEN WITH SLEEVES INSTALLED, one of the axles I've seen break and the one you posted up STILL BROKE. The fact that if this were really a common problem, there were be tons of evidence of it to be found on the internet and there simply isn't. The fact of the matter is, breaks like what you posted up are EXTREMELY RARE. To suggest otherwise is smoke.
xflstl
New member
Sorry, I should have been more clear. When I said neither you or I were spewing facts, I meant it in regards to our opinions. Opinions that sleeves either are worthless or are a good investment, same with rcvs. I wasn't referring to the over 1 million jk thing. I do completely agree a complete axle break like that is EXTREMELY RARE, I've only seen 2, and was not present when either happened. The one I posted up 2007, and a 2011.
It is a FACT that even with sleeves, you and I have both seen factory axle housing STILL BREAK.
Fair enough. It is YOUR opinion that in spite of the fact that a factory housing can and will still break even with sleeves installed, it is a "good" investment and therefore, YOU would encourage people to buy them. It is in MY opinion that it is not and therefore, would recommend that people not waste their money.
imagine that, an 07. I be the 11 had control arms that weren't set right too.
xflstl
New member
The 11 appeared to be 100% factory. It wasn't anyone I knew, it was at a local shop were my buddy works, he called me to see if I had any d30 s setting around. . I went and looked at it.. Had about 75k miles on it, looked totally factory underneath wasn't beat up. Guy says he hit a big pot hole. Shrug..
xflstl
New member
Correct that is my opinion. I also think gussets are a good idea regardless of the fact I have seen knuckles still bend with them on. It's also my opinion that even with there big price tag and the fact I have both seen and broke them myself D60's are a good investment. Is it YOUR opinion then that since these can and do still fail that YOU would recommend not wasting money on these either?
NevadaZielmeister
Caught the Bug
Oh boy. Oh boy.
Judesign
Caught the Bug
I didn't know you could gusset knuckles
Well, at least I got the 07 right. Being that you're the expert here, I'll defer to whatever it is you saw and take it as fact. Me, the only axle housings I've seen break, I was present when it happened, knew the people personally and helped get them off the trail. They are the only ones I can speak of with any authority but really, what would I know.
Clearly, an expert like you would know for a fact that the end forgings are what you were seeing bend and not the tubes.
Sorry, I'm far from being the badass that you clearly are.
It is of my opinion that not all 60's are equal or are made the same. What you chose to buy and broke may not be something I'd consider a good investment and I might recommend that people not waste their money on it.
WJCO
Meme King
Steering loss is a small sacrifice, but it can be done.
xflstl
New member
Actually it's called a C or inner knuckle.... Honestly I've never noticed any steering loss, thanks for the heads up. Lmao
WJCO
Meme King
My sarcasm was too thick. I was referring to the steering knuckle, not the c.