On a serious note

MR.Ty said:
In hindsight I should have started a new thread. The point I hoped to make (edit: and still hope to make) when I started this thread was that no matter who you are, rich or poor, service member or non service member, there is help and you are not alone. Suicide is not the answer. Period. I apologize if I have offended any fellow service members. Especially ones who have lost fellow members to the act of suicide.

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I lost my best and lifelong friend about a year ago to suicide, he hid his depression well, but there were signs. We just missed them. Since then I have been conscious of depression and look for signs in the people I know well enough to catch it. Very sad to hear about your shipmates.
 
MR.Ty said:
I lost another friend yesterday to suicide. He is the second person this year to take his own life whom I served with onboard the uss Scranton. All I really want is to get the word out that there are other options. We all have our breaking point and our breaking point is different than others. I just hope that those who are reading this know that there are better options than taking your own life. Rest in peace brother.

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idk how i missed this but im sorry bro. my condolences.

MR.Ty said:
Hope this is not true
http://insidemovies.ew.com/2014/08/11/robin-williams-dead-at-63/

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super sad he is gone. he was one of my favorite actors. my favorite roll of him was when he played peter pan in Hook.
 
The Robin Williams death is truly tragic. I was a huge fan from a very young age an enjoyed his comedic acting as we'll as his dramatic roles.

I also know (have read) some time ago that it came out he was battling some serious depression steaming from his failed marriage that stripped him of most of his riches. He also battled addiction.

Sad, just very sad. For any of us that have gone through these issues, have family or friend that have, know just how tough some of these demons can be. RIP RW.


- Jason
 
2013CGJKU said:
While this does suck... even speaking about a strung out Hollywood jillionaire killing himself in the same thread as service members killing themselves is a joke.
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I didn't take the OP as being directed only at service members. Life is hard for a lot of people, regardless of the profession they have chosen. The suicide rate among doctors, lawyers, dentists, and any number of professions, is typically higher than it is for the general population.

I lived pretty close to Robin Williams for a few years in San Francisco. By all accounts of us normal folk, he was a kind and selfless human being who did a lot for the community.

Some people change lives by taking up arms and defending their country as service members or their communities as LEOs...others change lives using different tools. I fail to see how the lives of one are any more valuable (or the sting of death any less painful) than the lives of the other. A good man is a good man, no matter what "uniform" they put on in the morning.
 
2013CGJKU said:
While this does suck... even speaking about a strung out Hollywood jillionaire killing himself in the same thread as service members killing themselves is a joke.

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Sharkey said:
I didn't take the OP as being directed only at service members. Life is hard for a lot of people, regardless of the profession they have chosen. The suicide rate among doctors, lawyers, dentists, and any number of professions, is typically higher than it is for the general population.

I lived pretty close to Robin Williams for a few years in San Francisco. By all accounts of us normal folk, he was a kind and selfless human being who did a lot for the community.

Some people change lives by taking up arms and defending their country as service members or their communities as LEOs...others change lives using different tools. I fail to see how the lives of one are any more valuable (or the sting of death any less painful) than the lives of the other. A good man is a good man, no matter what "uniform" they put on in the morning.
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Spot on sharkey!

As to cgjku, maybe you need to dig a little deeper. He was a man going through life, just like all of us. He was neither strung out, nor a "jillionaire." I've battled depression and levels of addiction both personally and in close family members and friends.

You don't need to serve this country to know there is help and there can be success and "wellness" in life regardless of how things might be in this moment.

RW also did a lot for those serving this country in the way of support, comedy tours for troops, etc.

- Jason
 
Given that I'm the exact same "rate" as the OP, I'm also frequented by this terrible facet of life. Not that doing the same job matters here... But being sub guys we have some alarming numbers of suicide, suicide attempts and even suicide ideations. Alternatively, the military in general has some pretty scary high numbers in this subject. But if we take a look at the general population alone, there are some recent spikes in suicide. It's def something that makes you wonder about what is really going on.

I've known 2 guys that have commuted suicide. Both were military. One was a sub guy and the other was a friend from back home that was a marine. The guy I was on the boat with showed a few signs and NO ONE said anything above the command level. When the topic was brought up to what was though to be appropriate channels, it was dismissed based on the guy "being different." Now, before we get all up in arms about it, the situation was handled as well as it could have been given the circumstances. No one knew that there were much darker secrets behind his day to day personality. But the point is that this is a difficult thing to talk to anyone about. And although we all could ask if something's wrong or if we can help, the only person that can do anything to get help is the person struggling. I may be wrong. But it's a trying assignment to ask someone struggling with life to get help. Especially if they're already considering suicide.

Off of my rant...

Suicide sucks. Hard. It leaves behind a much more difficult conversation with loved ones for sure. Because you know when people die and we ask why, or how, and no one knows the answer? But in suicide someone knows why... And didn't tell anyone and took the matter in their own hands and it's super hard to pass over such a loss.
 
2013CGJKU said:
I was wrong. I will admit it. I am a heartless asshole that jumps to conclusions.
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You are a proud soldier, not a heartless asshole. Just remember (to paraphrase a movie line) that you don't have to wear a patch on your sleeve to have honor.

There are plenty of wastes in Hollywood...but Robin Williams wasn't one of them.
 
jeff_in_rc said:
Very sorry to hear that and you are right, there are always other options. The sad part is they don't think of the family they leave behind, they suffer for a long time afterwards. RIP
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Often times they do think of family. It's just not how we would think of family. We think of how could you leave them behind and cause all that pain. People that have this terrible mental illness and have reached the point of taking their own lives often believe that they are making things better for their family/friends by doing so. The illness has driven them to such a state that they don't believe there is any worth in them being there anymore.

it is a terrible illness and it hits all walks of life. its a disease that most people don't recognize as a such. Sometimes there are warning signs, sometimes there aren't.
 
mstraw9379 said:
Often times they do think of family. It's just not how we would think of family. We think of how could you leave them behind and cause all that pain. People that have this terrible mental illness and have reached the point of taking their own lives often believe that they are making things better for their family/friends by doing so. The illness has driven them to such a state that they don't believe there is any worth in them being there anymore.

it is a terrible illness and it hits all walks of life. its a disease that most people don't recognize as a such. Sometimes there are warning signs, sometimes there aren't.
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Well said mstraw, well said.
 
mstraw9379 said:
Often times they do think of family. It's just not how we would think of family. We think of how could you leave them behind and cause all that pain. People that have this terrible mental illness and have reached the point of taking their own lives often believe that they are making things better for their family/friends by doing so. The illness has driven them to such a state that they don't believe there is any worth in them being there anymore.

it is a terrible illness and it hits all walks of life. its a disease that most people don't recognize as a such. Sometimes there are warning signs, sometimes there aren't.
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I agree well said. I think most of us have been affected by suicide you'd be surprise to know how many. I have two friends who Fiancee's have died by suicide and came face to face with an attempt by my Mom when I was only 12. SOS - survivors of suicide is a great organization that works with family members that have been affected. One of my friends I mentioned earlier is even a coordinator for the meetings. Depression is a terrible disease. I only wish the demons in these peoples lives could also let them see their greatness and the LOVE their friends and family have for them. Condolences to all who have been or are dealing with this disease.
 
Recent reports are saying that Williams was still sober, but was in the early stages of Parkinson's disease.
 
Sharkey said:
Recent reports are saying that Williams was still sober, but was in the early stages of Parkinson's disease.
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Yep, this. My wife deals with Park/neuro disorders and her experience is that depression is one of the biggest issues. Story just gets more sad.


- Jason
 
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