I am not a wayalife guy by anymeans....this is probably like my 3rd post if that. I stick to pirate4x4. I am only making this comment as a 3rd party. I read through this thread and it got carried away. Mods can be assholes and keyboard jockeys ...and frequently are. Im not calling anyone out on the previous statement. Overland seems like a keyboard jockey...I will call it as i see it and really dont care what you thing and im sure it is a mutual feeling. Wayoflife congratulations you have a forum more than I can say but you cant expect an appology for shit that was directed at you after you could honestly read through this and not see where all the guys that left were coming from.....and whats up with the hair?