EV Awesomeness

BananaPudding said:
For the recon model. I took that as other models may be cheaper. It seems they are releasing the ‘rubicon’ trim before the ‘sport’ trim.
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LOL - compared to OTHER vehicle makes out there. I own 9 Jeeps, 3 of which are current models so it's not like I'm a hater of the brand but I would be the first to say, that they're WAY OVERPRICED for what they are these days. It is a BIG part of why Bronco is crushing Wrangler and Gladiator combined in sales. This is to say nothing about Toyota brands.

But then, that's just me.
 
I should note that there is literally NOBODY I personally know at Jeep who is excited about the EV direction that they've been going down over the last 10 years. Most of the old guard, engineers who were responsible for bringing us the Rubicon, have all left. The few that are still there are excited about the changes the orange man bad has given them.
 
BananaPudding said:
The point I’m making with saying it looks like they designed it to drop in an ICE powertrain: if sales don’t do well with the EV version, they can pivot easily with an ICE alternative and in the process, not lose a ridiculous amount of money investing in an EV only platform that can’t accommodate an ICE powertrain. It’s easy to convert something that’s designed for ICE into an EV, harder to convert something designed specifically for an EV to ICE. When unsure of the environment, it’s probably safer to build to accommodate both. This would lead to less than ideal performance with either powertrain, compared to something designed specifically for a specific platform.



3.6 is pretty slow, IMHO. Seems paired well with a vehicle that size but would for sure leave someone for wanting more over time. In addition, 0-60mph times are usually done at a full SOC and will become slower as your SOC drops. For instance in the cybertruck and my other past teslas, when I’m at 20% SOC, it’s a lot slower than when it’s at 100% SOC. Still pretty quick but you become use to it. Acceleration is only a portion of the ownership experience so maybe the 3.6 seconds will feel good for that vehicle, dependent on how it’s tuned.

For the vast majority of EV buyers, range is not a concern but obviously everyone’s use case is different. 100kWh battery pack is a large pack and the range is significantly impacted by the off road aspects of the vehicle. 230 miles of range: take 70% of that for daily use (80% to 10%) plus loss for weather etc. I’d estimate a solid 140-150 range when new. Throw that same pack in my car and I’m pushing 450 miles of range.

Tesla does not offer a motor upgrade or battery upgrade for improved performance. This is a trim difference that can only be purchased when new. For instance, if you had a AWD cybertruck, you could not have it upgraded by Tesla to a tri motor cyberbeast.


For the recon model. I took that as other models may be cheaper. It seems they are releasing the ‘rubicon’ trim before the ‘sport’ trim.


For the non-EV people or those not too familiar with BEV, what you want to look for in reviews or if you get a chance to drive one off road: how is the slow driving programming? When going from a stop to the first turn of the tires, how is it tuned. A lot of companies do this wrong and it makes for an awkward off road experience. For instance, flooring the accelerator and the tires not moving, and when they finally move you are hard on the brake as the vehicle goes from 0 to full send. That full pedal accelerator with no wheel speed also heats things up and can lead to poor or reduced performance. Also, how does it blend in physical brakes with motor regen, can this be turned off in oftroad modes, etc..
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"For the vast majority of EV buyers, range is not a concern".

The obvious reason for this is that if one needs to leave the large cities, or the major highways, an EV will simply be unable to make the trip. That said, the majority of people live in large cities, and hardly ever (or never) drive out of them. That means that an EV could work for most (e.g. 80%) of the population today.
 
bobfriesenhahn said:
"For the vast majority of EV buyers, range is not a concern".

The obvious reason for this is that if one needs to leave the large cities, or the major highways, an EV will simply be unable to make the trip. That said, the majority of people live in large cities, and hardly ever (or never) drive out of them. That means that an EV could work for most (e.g. 80%) of the population today.
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You’d be surprised. Somewhere between 3-400k miles driving in almost every state with an EV. The infrastructure is quite robust and continually expanding.
 
BananaPudding said:
You’d be surprised. Somewhere between 3-400k miles driving in almost every state with an EV. The infrastructure is quite robust and continually expanding.
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On the route I routinely take between Texas and Arizona, I have noticed only one EV charging station (in Carrizozo). For the sake of humor I often take photos of that charging station because there is no one there. But one time there was a Tesla there and I talked to its owner (from Albuquerque). But it is not far from IH-25 and it is at a crossing of two smaller highways.

When one is happy to find a working gas pump (sometimes it is necessary to try several pumps), it is difficult to imagine EVs surviving in remote rural areas.
 
bobfriesenhahn said:
On the route I routinely take between Texas and Arizona, I have noticed only one EV charging station (in Carrizozo). For the sake of humor I often take photos of that charging station because there is no one there. But one time there was a Tesla there and I talked to its owner (from Albuquerque). But it is not far from IH-25 and it is at a crossing of two smaller highways.

When one is happy to find a working gas pump (sometimes it is necessary to try several pumps), it is difficult to imagine EVs surviving in remote rural areas.
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What route is this? And on which highways?
 
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