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Aside from reliability concerns, I could see this selling a lot of units if the price is right. You can tell they built this model with the ability to drop in an ICE setup if they want to later.
 
BananaPudding said:
Aside from reliability concerns, I could see this selling a lot of units if the price is right. You can tell they built this model with the ability to drop in an ICE setup if they want to later.
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It "starts" at $65k. There's a lot of really nice vehicles you can get that will do the job better than it for less. As far as dropping in an ICE, it already is said to have 650 HP and can do 0-60 in 3.6 seconds. That's way better than a 392 and maybe one of it's best selling points.
 
wayoflife said:
can do 0-60 in 3.6 seconds. That's way better than a 392 and maybe one of it's best selling points.
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Gotta be honest, this is one of the issues I have with the electrics and how they're marketed.

Who TF needs to go 0-60 in 3.6 seconds in a vehicle like this?! While cool, that smokes EVERY muscle car from the late 60-s-early 70's. Is that really necessary? How about address range instead and make this go 0-60 in like, 7 seconds but extend the range to 600 miles? Which makes more every day sense? Maybe I'm just getting old, but range is always a major pinch point with electrics - I think if they addressed that they'd sell more?


Oh, and like Tesla, offer an upgraded motor package for the folks that need to go fast and aren't worried about the range.
 
The point I’m making with saying it looks like they designed it to drop in an ICE powertrain: if sales don’t do well with the EV version, they can pivot easily with an ICE alternative and in the process, not lose a ridiculous amount of money investing in an EV only platform that can’t accommodate an ICE powertrain. It’s easy to convert something that’s designed for ICE into an EV, harder to convert something designed specifically for an EV to ICE. When unsure of the environment, it’s probably safer to build to accommodate both. This would lead to less than ideal performance with either powertrain, compared to something designed specifically for a specific platform.

Ddays said:
Who TF needs to go 0-60 in 3.6 seconds in a vehicle like this?! While cool, that smokes EVERY muscle car from the late 60-s-early 70's. Is that really necessary? How about address range instead and make this go 0-60 in like, 7 seconds but extend the range to 600 miles? Which makes more every day sense? Maybe I'm just getting old, but range is always a major pinch point with electrics - I think if they addressed that they'd sell more?
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3.6 is pretty slow, IMHO. Seems paired well with a vehicle that size but would for sure leave someone for wanting more over time. In addition, 0-60mph times are usually done at a full SOC and will become slower as your SOC drops. For instance in the cybertruck and my other past teslas, when I’m at 20% SOC, it’s a lot slower than when it’s at 100% SOC. Still pretty quick but you become use to it. Acceleration is only a portion of the ownership experience so maybe the 3.6 seconds will feel good for that vehicle, dependent on how it’s tuned.

For the vast majority of EV buyers, range is not a concern but obviously everyone’s use case is different. 100kWh battery pack is a large pack and the range is significantly impacted by the off road aspects of the vehicle. 230 miles of range: take 70% of that for daily use (80% to 10%) plus loss for weather etc. I’d estimate a solid 140-150 range when new. Throw that same pack in my car and I’m pushing 450 miles of range.
Ddays said:
Oh, and like Tesla, offer an upgraded motor package for the folks that need to go fast and aren't worried about the range.
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Tesla does not offer a motor upgrade or battery upgrade for improved performance. This is a trim difference that can only be purchased when new. For instance, if you had a AWD cybertruck, you could not have it upgraded by Tesla to a tri motor cyberbeast.
wayoflife said:
It "starts" at $65k. There's a lot of really nice vehicles you can get that will do the job better than it for less. As far as dropping in an ICE, it already is said to have 650 HP and can do 0-60 in 3.6 seconds. That's way better than a 392 and maybe one of its best selling points.
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For the recon model. I took that as other models may be cheaper. It seems they are releasing the ‘rubicon’ trim before the ‘sport’ trim.


For the non-EV people or those not too familiar with BEV, what you want to look for in reviews or if you get a chance to drive one off road: how is the slow driving programming? When going from a stop to the first turn of the tires, how is it tuned. A lot of companies do this wrong and it makes for an awkward off road experience. For instance, flooring the accelerator and the tires not moving, and when they finally move you are hard on the brake as the vehicle goes from 0 to full send. That full pedal accelerator with no wheel speed also heats things up and can lead to poor or reduced performance. Also, how does it blend in physical brakes with motor regen, can this be turned off in oftroad modes, etc..
 
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BananaPudding said:
The point I’m making with saying it looks like they designed it to drop in an ICE powertrain: if sales don’t do well with the EV version, they can pivot easily with an ICE alternative and in the process, not lose a ridiculous amount of money investing in an EV only platform that can’t accommodate an ICE powertrain. It’s easy to convert something that’s designed for ICE into an EV, harder to convert something designed specifically for an EV to ICE. When unsure of the environment, it’s probably safer to build to accommodate both. This would lead to less than ideal performance with either powertrain, compared to something designed specifically for a specific platform.



3.6 is honestly pretty slow, IMHO. Seems paired well with a vehicle that size but would for sure leave someone for wanting more over time. In addition, 0-60mph times are usually done at a full SOC and will become slower as your SOC drops. For instance in the cybertruck and my other past teslas, when I’m at 20% SOC, it’s a lot slower than when it’s at 100% SOC. Still pretty quick but you become use to it. Acceleration is only a portion of the ownership experience so maybe the 3.6 seconds will feel good for that vehicle, dependent on how it’s tuned.

For the vast majority of EV buyers, range is not a concern but obviously everyone’s use case is different. 100kWh battery pack is a large pack and the range is significantly impacted by the off road aspects of the vehicle. 230 miles of range: take 70% of that for daily use (80% to 10%) plus loss for weather etc. I’d estimate a solid 140-150 range when new. Throw that same pack in my car and I’m pushing 450 miles of range.

Tesla does not offer a motor upgrade or battery upgrade for improved performance. This is a trim difference that can only be purchased when new. For instance, if you had a AWD cybertruck, you could not have it upgraded by Tesla to a tri motor cyberbeast.


For the recon model. I took that as other models may be cheaper. It seems they are releasing the ‘rubicon’ trim before the ‘sport’ trim.


For the non-EV people or those not too familiar with BEV, what you want to look for in reviews or if you get a chance to drive one off road: how is the slow driving programming? When going from a stop to the first turn of the tires, how is it tuned. A lot of companies do this wrong and it makes for an awkward off road experience. For instance, flooring the accelerator and the tires not moving, and when they finally move you are hard on the brake as the vehicle goes from 0 to full send. That full pedal accelerator with no wheel speed also heats things up and can lead to poor or reduced performance. Also, how does it blend in physical brakes with motor regen, can this be turned off in oftroad modes, etc..
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You should totally buy one of these. Seems like you love it.
 
BananaPudding said:
The point I’m making with saying it looks like they designed it to drop in an ICE powertrain: if sales don’t do well with the EV version, they can pivot easily with an ICE alternative and in the process, not lose a ridiculous amount of money investing in an EV only platform that can’t accommodate an ICE powertrain. It’s easy to convert something that’s designed for ICE into an EV, harder to convert something designed specifically for an EV to ICE. When unsure of the environment, it’s probably safer to build to accommodate both. This would lead to less than ideal performance with either powertrain, compared to something designed specifically for a specific platform.



3.6 is honestly pretty slow, IMHO. Seems paired well with a vehicle that size but would for sure leave someone for wanting more over time. In addition, 0-60mph times are usually done at a full SOC and will become slower as your SOC drops. For instance in the cybertruck and my other past teslas, when I’m at 20% SOC, it’s a lot slower than when it’s at 100% SOC. Still pretty quick but you become use to it. Acceleration is only a portion of the ownership experience so maybe the 3.6 seconds will feel good for that vehicle, dependent on how it’s tuned.

For the vast majority of EV buyers, range is not a concern but obviously everyone’s use case is different. 100kWh battery pack is a large pack and the range is significantly impacted by the off road aspects of the vehicle. 230 miles of range: take 70% of that for daily use (80% to 10%) plus loss for weather etc. I’d estimate a solid 140-150 range when new. Throw that same pack in my car and I’m pushing 450 miles of range.

Tesla does not offer a motor upgrade or battery upgrade for improved performance. This is a trim difference that can only be purchased when new. For instance, if you had a AWD cybertruck, you could not have it upgraded by Tesla to a tri motor cyberbeast.


For the recon model. I took that as other models may be cheaper. It seems they are releasing the ‘rubicon’ trim before the ‘sport’ trim.


For the non-EV people or those not too familiar with BEV, what you want to look for in reviews or if you get a chance to drive one off road: how is the slow driving programming? When going from a stop to the first turn of the tires, how is it tuned. A lot of companies do this wrong and it makes for an awkward off road experience. For instance, flooring the accelerator and the tires not moving, and when they finally move you are hard on the brake as the vehicle goes from 0 to full send. That full pedal accelerator with no wheel speed also heats things up and can lead to poor or reduced performance. Also, how does it blend in physical brakes with motor regen, can this be turned off in oftroad modes, etc..
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I didn't read all that but I can assure you no one here cares about electric vehicles.
 
BananaPudding said:
For the non-EV people or those not too familiar with BEV, what you want to look for in reviews or if you get a chance to drive one off road: how is the slow driving programming? When going from a stop to the first turn of the tires, how is it tuned. A lot of companies do this wrong and it makes for an awkward off road experience. For instance, flooring the accelerator and the tires not moving, and when they finally move you are hard on the brake as the vehicle goes from 0 to full send. That full pedal accelerator with no wheel speed also heats things up and can lead to poor or reduced performance. Also, how does it blend in physical brakes with motor regen, can this be turned off in oftroad modes, etc..
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No thanks.
 
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