Thanks for the info guys. Besides my JK, I came up on a lifted 93 2500 chevy suburban with 16.5 inch rims which I found these tires will fit on. Noticed that 16.5 was definitely a rare tire size for regular MT tires. The ones I did find that were non military tires used were a little pricey. Once I saw these for cheaper, the search began. I'm in socal and I found out some of those places back East will ship so that's good. I'm not to far from camp pendelton so I'll check them out to.