Bigtom - I will make baseless accusations against wayoflife even if I can't prove it

[Bigtom]

I started on JK forum and I'll say that Eddie can be biased toward his sponsors but at the same time he generally likes to test the products so he can speak from experience. That bring said after reading through some stuff here he makes statements like they're facts. Truth is most of us won't have the chance to wheel as hard or often as he does and what he considers inferior may be but will work well for most of us and cost much less which is something else he often doesn't consider.

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[GCM 2]

......Eddie can be biased toward his sponsors but at the same time he generally likes to test the products so he can speak from experience.

Of course he is biased towards his sponsors.....that's kind of the deal with sponsors, they expect support from those that they sponsor. It would be like Dale Earnhardt Jr, who is sponsored by and races Chevy cars, talking about how great it would be to race a Ford, while Chevy is signing his paychecks.

.....That bring said after reading through some stuff here he makes statements like they're facts.

Yep, I believe that's the point. After knowing Eddie for a few years now, he is a big boy and can hold his own ground with facts. If you knew his training and schooling , you would understand he is kind of a stickler for accuracy when he posts his opinion and makes certain to write facts and not just regurgitated internet legends that have been passed on between friends after multiple weekend beer drinking and jeep wrenching parties on the side of some guys double wide trailer.

.....Truth is most of us won't have the chance to wheel as hard or often as he does and what he considers inferior may be but will work well for most of us and cost much less which is something else he often doesn't consider

I think most people on here have been at this level of skill, driving, and quality of build at some point in their offroading history. In fact the guy with a fat bank account, who buys into the sport with a $100k rig and has zero experience or common sense is definitely going to get more unfavorable treatment from anyone, on any forum, than the guy who can only buy the lowest end budget kit for his jeep. We have all been there, including Eddie. What you will notice are forum members here trying to coach someone who may be about to make an unnecessarily poor choice in purchase of 'brand X' manufacturer's suspension, or tires, or sliders, etc. by always giving the advice of "just wait and save money a little longer for the better part so you don't have to purchase twice"

The bottom line is cheaper is not always better, more expensive is not always better......better is exactly that, better.

Be a part of the forum, any forum, but be accurate with facts, don't spread rumors and hearsay, point things out that are factually inaccurate, and learn to take criticism. :thumb:

 

[ttfhell]

Of course he is biased towards his sponsors.....that's kind of the deal with sponsors, they expect support from those that they sponsor. It would be like Dale Earnhardt Jr, who is sponsored by and races Chevy cars, talking about how great it would be to race a Ford, while Chevy is signing his paychecks.





Yep, I believe that's the point. After knowing Eddie for a few years now, he is a big boy and can hold his own ground with facts. If you knew his training and schooling , you would understand he is kind of a stickler for accuracy when post his opinion and makes certain to write facts and not just regurgitated internet legends that have been passed on between friends after multiple weekend beer drinking and jeep wrenching parties on the side of some guys double wide trailer.



I think most people on here have been at this level of skill, driving, and quality of build at some point in their offroading history. In fact the guy with a fat bank account, who buys into the sport with a $100k rig and has zero experience or common sense is definitely going to get more unfavorable treatment from anyone, on any forum, than the guy who can only buy the lowest end budget kit for his jeep. We have all been there, including Eddie. What you will notice are forum members here trying to coach someone who may be about to make an unnecessarily poor choice in purchase of 'brand X' manufacturer's suspension, or tires, or sliders, etc. by always giving the advice of "just wait and save money a little longer for the better part so you don't have to purchase twice"

The bottom line is cheaper is not always better, more expensive is not always better......better is exactly that, better.

Be a part of the forum, any forum, but be accurate with facts, don't spread rumors and hearsay, point things out that are factually inaccurate, and learn to take criticism. :thumb:

You are never going to get nominated for the "Dick of the Week" using sound logic and valid points.

 

[GCM 2]

You are never going to get nominated for the "Dick of the Week" using sound logic and valid points. 

My wife will argue that I own the rights to that award for life.

 

[Paisano]

My wife will argue that I own the rights to that award for life.

Unless she comes on and nominates you with some dirt, NOPE!

 

[Sharkey]

My wife will argue that I own the rights to that award for life.

Well, you certainly wouldn't want your wife to say someone else is the "dick of the week". :cheesy:

 

[ttfhell]

Well, you certainly wouldn't want your wife to say someone else is the "dick of the week". :cheesy:

^^^^Winning^^^^

 

[GCM 2]

Well, you certainly wouldn't want your wife to say someone else is the "dick of the week". :cheesy:

Well she could be and I would not know it.

 

[Sharkey]

Well she could be and I would not know it.

:cheesy: touché

 

[Bigtom]

Of course he is biased towards his sponsors.....that's kind of the deal with sponsors, they expect support from those that they sponsor. It would be like Dale Earnhardt Jr, who is sponsored by and races Chevy cars, talking about how great it would be to race a Ford, while Chevy is signing his paychecks.





Yep, I believe that's the point. After knowing Eddie for a few years now, he is a big boy and can hold his own ground with facts. If you knew his training and schooling , you would understand he is kind of a stickler for accuracy when he posts his opinion and makes certain to write facts and not just regurgitated internet legends that have been passed on between friends after multiple weekend beer drinking and jeep wrenching parties on the side of some guys double wide trailer.



I think most people on here have been at this level of skill, driving, and quality of build at some point in their offroading history. In fact the guy with a fat bank account, who buys into the sport with a $100k rig and has zero experience or common sense is definitely going to get more unfavorable treatment from anyone, on any forum, than the guy who can only buy the lowest end budget kit for his jeep. We have all been there, including Eddie. What you will notice are forum members here trying to coach someone who may be about to make an unnecessarily poor choice in purchase of 'brand X' manufacturer's suspension, or tires, or sliders, etc. by always giving the advice of "just wait and save money a little longer for the better part so you don't have to purchase twice"

The bottom line is cheaper is not always better, more expensive is not always better......better is exactly that, better.

Be a part of the forum, any forum, but be accurate with facts, don't spread rumors and hearsay, point things out that are factually inaccurate, and learn to take criticism. :thumb:

I may not have expressed myself clearly enough
A) your right being biased towards your sponsors is just good common and business sense.
B) the thing is its his opinion that he often post as fact.
C) your right buying cheap just to have to buy again is foolish but also may be necessary from time to time. Case in point I have bolt on lca skids I know that weld ons are better but the lift I want requires some modifications and I didn't want weld ons getting in the way of those mods and still wanted to wheel.
The stock Jeep is a very capable vehicle but I keep reading "my Jeep isn't ready yet" it just seems like people are being scared into over building their Jeeps before they ever get to wheel them.

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[Sharkey]

I may not have expressed myself clearly enough
A) your right being biased towards your sponsors is just good common and business sense.
B) the thing is its his opinion that he often post as fact.
C) your right buying cheap just to have to buy again is foolish but also may be necessary from time to time. Case in point I have bolt on lca skids I know that weld ons are better but the lift I want requires some modifications and I didn't want weld ons getting in the way of those mods and still wanted to wheel.
The stock Jeep is a very capable vehicle but I keep reading "my Jeep isn't ready yet" it just seems like people are being scared into over building their Jeeps before they ever get to wheel them.

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AYFKM?! If you had more than 10 posts you might realize that Eddie (and most of us for that matter) routinely tell people to wheel their Jeeps "as is" to get experience and to concurrently drive as many lifted Jeeps as they can before spending their hard earned money on a lift.

I've read post after post of Eddie recommending small Rancho budget boosts and many other lifts. Fact is though, if the conversation turns to which coilover system is the best, people get all butt hurt when Eddie, Greg or anyone else says EVO. Guess what, they don't have to run the EVO lever. They do so because it is the best system currently out there...period.

 

[10frank9]

I may not have expressed myself clearly enough
A) your right being biased towards your sponsors is just good common and business sense.

Glad we agree with at least one thing here.

) the thing is its his opinion that he often post as fact.

Where has he done this? Most often times he says "what i've seen" or he gives his personal experiences. I have only seen him stand hard and fast on things that are in true facts, like aftermarket parts that are prone to failure. Otherwise he will say some things, like ride quality and opinions of "hard wheeling" are subjective.

) your right buying cheap just to have to buy again is foolish but also may be necessary from time to time. Case in point I have bolt on lca skids I know that weld ons are better but the lift I want requires some modifications and I didn't want weld ons getting in the way of those mods and still wanted to wheel.

No one is forcing anyone not to buy "cheap" products, just educating them about quality and the possibility of wanting to upgrade later.

stock Jeep is a very capable vehicle but I keep reading "my Jeep isn't ready yet" it just seems like people are being scared into over building their Jeeps before they ever get to wheel them.

I sure hope people aren't that vain that they would be "scared" into not wheeling a stock Jeep. In fact Wayoflife and the rest of us normally recommend people wheel their Jeep before choosing their mods, so they know what is needed and what isn't. If you need, I could point to you several threads where this has happened.

BigTom, I really hope you aren't headed in the same direction as the rest of these trolls, but then again, you are sure headed down that path. :naw:

 

[wayoflife]

A) your right being biased towards your sponsors is just good common and business sense.

Sorry Bigtom, I'm kinda busy driving, exploring and visiting family and only have enough time to deal with one troll at a time. Just out of curiosity, who exactly are my sponsors?

B) the thing is its his opinion that he often post as fact.

Being that you're such a long time member here, I'm sure there have been tons if posts where I supposedly done this - how about you put your money where your mouth is and post up just ONE example here where I have posted an opinion as fact. Being that I apparently do this "often", that should be easy enough for you to do.

C) your right buying cheap just to have to buy again is foolish but also may be necessary from time to time. Case in point I have bolt on lca skids I know that weld ons are better but the lift I want requires some modifications and I didn't want weld ons getting in the way of those mods and still wanted to wheel.

You need LCA skids in order to wheel?

The stock Jeep is a very capable vehicle but I keep reading "my Jeep isn't ready yet" it just seems like people are being scared into over building their Jeeps before they ever get to wheel them.

Well, with all the supposed "reading" you've done during your long tenure here, I have no doubts that you can show at least ONE example where I've scared someone into not wheeling their Jeep until it gets built up. I mean, if you're gonna make all these accusations, the least you can do is back them up with proof.

 

[Bigtom]

Glad we agree with at least one thing here.



Where has he done this? Most often times he says "what i've seen" or he gives his personal experiences. I have only seen him stand hard and fast on things that are in true facts, like aftermarket parts that are prone to failure. Otherwise he will say some things, like ride quality and opinions of "hard wheeling" are subjective.



No one is forcing anyone not to buy "cheap" products, just educating them about quality and the possibility of wanting to upgrade later.



I sure hope people aren't that vain that they would be "scared" into not wheeling a stock Jeep. In fact Wayoflife and the rest of us normally recommend people wheel their Jeep before choosing their mods, so they know what is needed and what isn't. If you need, I could point to you several threads where this has happened.

BigTom, I really hope you aren't headed in the same direction as the rest of these trolls, but then again, you are sure headed down that path. :naw:

No i don't intend on being a troll. I was merely giving my opinion. I realize I can't change your mind just thought you misunderstood my view. As for the op he appears to be an ass.

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[wayoflife]

No i don't intend on being a troll. I was merely giving my opinion. I realize I can't change your mind just thought you misunderstood my view.

So back up your opinions with facts. Otherwise, your are just a troll.

As for the op he appears to be an ass.

Well, you're behaving a lot like him.

Sorry, done with lunch and will be back in the road for a while. I'll be looking forward to reading your damning proof that backs up your baseless claims.

 

[Bigtom]

Sorry Bigtom, I'm kinda busy driving, exploring and visiting family and only have enough time to deal with one troll at a time. Just out of curiosity, who exactly are my sponsors?



Being that you're such a long time member here, I'm sure there have been tons if posts where I supposedly done this - how about you put your money where your mouth is and post up just ONE example here where I have posted an opinion as fact. Being that I apparently do this "often", that should be easy enough for you to do.



You need LCA skids in order to wheel?



Well, with all the supposed "reading" you've done during your long tenure here, I have no doubts that you can show at least ONE example where I've scared someone into not wheeling their Jeep until it gets built up. I mean, if you're gonna make all these accusations, the least you can do is back them up with proof.

Eddie don't text and drive its dangerous. If you'll allow me stick around maybe my view will change. My opinion may be outdated from jkf.

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[ridg3runner]

Some people just dont get it. They were never taught that it's disrespectful to track dirt into another man's house.

We are Jeep..Resistance is futile..

 

[wayoflife]

Eddie don't text and drive its dangerous.

Not driving yet but will be in a sec.

If you'll allow me stick around maybe my view will change. My opinion may be outdated from jkf.

I have over 36,000 posts over on JKF, by all means, please find just ONE from there that back up your baseless claims. Either that or I think you owe me an apology.

 

[Bigtom]

So back up your opinions with facts. Otherwise, your are just a troll.



Well, you're behaving a lot like him.

Sorry, done with lunch and will be back in the road for a while. I'll be looking forward to reading your damning proof that backs up your baseless claims.

No the OP turned out to be in business with a manufacturer that has had problems with their product failing in the past. Which rightfully caused them to loose business they have apparently resolved the issue but time will tell

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[Bigtom]

Not driving yet but will be in a sec.



I have over 36,000 posts over on JKF, by all means, please find just ONE from there that back up your baseless claims. Either that or I think you owe me an apology.

Busy with life as you are. If I think of it when I have time I will.
And the driving part was just a joke, forgot the smiley.

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